Ask the Pro, Ventriloquist Bob Abdou – Stealing Material

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Here’s this weeks blog from ventriloquist Bob Abdou:

Last week’s advice blog stirred up some conversations. One particular was about the imitation of other vents. That made me want to write about a topic that is taboo and usually avoided – stealing material. (*gasp*)

Before I start, let me say that any opinions expressed in this blog, are strictly mine and not those of Ventriloquist Central, Venthaven Convention and should not be rebroadcast or retransmitted without the express written consent of Major League Baseball.

Now let’s talk about the pink elephant in the room: stealing material. (* another gasp*) I am not talking about buying dialogue books that are sold for the purpose of using them on stage. I am talking about hearing a funny joke or jokes from another vent and using it in your own act.

Let me confess here, I have used others people’s jokes. There I said it, I can now sleep better tonight and my conscience is cleared. Now it’s your turn…

Ok, so now we all agree, we have all done it at least once in our shows. Let’s face it, most comedy is recycled to some extent. The “I Love Lucy” show was not all original, some of the bits were taken from vaudeville and stage acts.

I remember Jay Johnson told a very funny joke that I just loved. I told myself I would not use the joke because it was Jay’s to tell and I did not want to take something that didn’t belong to me so I refrained myself from telling this very funny joke for months. Then I opened up an old joke book and guess what was in it? The joke that Jay told! Now it was free for me to use.

Jokes in those joke books like “1001 Funniest Jokes” – or any Milton Berle Joke books– are pretty much in public domain and can be used freely by all comedians and vents. I now use the joke I heard from Jay. If I hear another vent use it, can I get upset? NO. I have to realize just because it is a staple in my routine, it’s not mine to keep. One of the differences is that I rewrote the joke to fit my persona, this makes it more of my own joke.

There are some jokes that are so funny they deserve to be shared. However, there are definite limits. Jokes are creations just like any other creation. When you hear someone using something that you spent time creating, it is not a good feeling. It sometimes takes days, weeks or even months to come up with that perfect joke. Jokes can be hard to write and it takes a lot of effort. If someone just snatches it up, it is stealing. Plain and Simple. For us who perform full time and depend on daily work take this very seriously. Our livelihood is paid by the jokes we tell.

The late Johnny Main was a great ventriloquist, and also my friend and mentor. While visiting him at his home in New York, he told me that if I wanted to continue being his friend I better not do any of his routines EVER. I promised him and that was the only time he ever mentioned it. I have been saying for years: “Association is vital for growth.” With that in mind, you never want to have a reputation of stealing other people’s material because you will lose friendships that way.

Some people are willing to share material with other performers. But sometimes that can backfire. Another mentor of mine, Bill Boley was always open with sharing his material. Once on a stage show, a ventriloquist was performing right before Bill. This ventriloquist did Bill’s routine word for word. When it was time for Bill to perform, he came on stage white as a ghost because the first performer did the act that Bill was planning on doing. That was one of the only times I ever saw Bill really upset. If you have permission to use another entertainer’s material, use it wisely and especially not on the same bill.

Some years ago at the ventriloquist convention, Three performers all did the same routine and song. When it was time for the third performer to sing, we all gasped and someone in the audience yelled out, “No, don’t sing the same song!” You think the third performer would have just given up. They did the song anyway and lost the audience immediately and eventually all three performers were labeled uncreative and lame.

At one of the Vegas Ventriloquist conventions, a well known performer was scheduled to perform. People were looking forward to seeing his act. But he walked on stage and for the whole time he did balloon animals — all balloon animals. We were confused and wondered why this pro would waste everyone’s time doing balloon animals. Later on I found out before going on stage he looked out at the audience and saw people with notepads and tape recorders. His first thought was, “I am not going to give my hard earned material away for others to steal.”

Stealing is a concern of many professional vents. Some people who steal material do it innocently and don’t think anything of it. But that doesn’t mean it’s not stealing. There are too many ways to write your own material. Giving in to stealing material will make a performer stuck in a rut and eventually become unentertaining.

Here’s some of my opinions on stealing material:

· While using other people’s material is cute for newbies, it should be avoided the more professional you become

· Don’t steal material from friends or from within the vent community PERIOD

· If you hear a joke from another vent you want to use, ask them if they wrote it. If they did, don’t use it unless they give you permission to.

· If they found it in a joke book, it’s yours for the taking.

· There are common jokes that everybody uses, so keep telling them. They have no origin, they are nobody’s personal possession.

· Every comedy vent should have the Milton Berle Joke Books volume 1 & 2 in their library.

· If you become known for stealing other people’s material, you will find yourself alone in this business

If you’ve been “borrowing” material and you want to start writing your own:

· Writing a routine is not easy, but it can be done and done well. Don’t talk yourself out of writing.

· Read any joke book as a starting point to a great routine

· Email, text, Skype or call other comedians and just brain storm routines,

· Take criticism and don’t be insulted. If your comedy friends say something is not funny, take it out or rewrite it.

· Surround yourself with funny.

Remember, these are only my opinions. Whether you are new to ventriloquism, semi-pro or working full time as a vent, we all want to succeed.

Spending time to write great material will eventually make you a great ventriloquist

Be original, Be creative, Be YOU

Peace,
Bob Abdou/Mr.Puppet
www.mrpuppet.com

Thanks Bob, great advice.

 

Dan
www.ventriloquistcentral.com

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Dan Willinger is a ventriloquism enthusiast and ventriloquist figure collector. He has been collecting for over 25 years. He created the Ventriloquist Central Collection. It now has over 100 ventriloquist figures and over 50 of them are Frank Marshall figures. Because of his love for the art of ventriloquism, Mr. Willinger created the website Ventriloquist Central. For more information about the website, go to: http://www.ventriloquistcentral.com

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6 Responses to Ask the Pro, Ventriloquist Bob Abdou – Stealing Material

  1. Mike Palma says:

    Now there is a difference between stealing a joke and stealing a routine! Also stealing someone’s closing bit such as the “dog Story” that Willie tylor uses or ” I give up what is it” that Russ Lewis uses! These type of jokes / bit are known to those vents and if you do it for other vents, they will know you stole it! Now for using the jokes/ bits for a lay audience, retirement home setting, party or banquet they should be fine to use, however by using other people’s bits or routines you have not created your own character , but stole someone else’s character. You have not yet to figure out who you and your character are. What separates the pros form the non pros ? The ability to create there own character and write there owns scripts. This is not to say you won’t here a joke someone else has heard or told a hundred times before, but the joke is is your script for your character, you won’t be doing a routine you heard someone else perform.

  2. LeeDean says:

    Be original, be creative, be you. (Oh,oh, can’t say that. Bob Abdou said it). I used to do, as do all, the Paul Stadelman routines, and a good way to handle using somebody else’s material is simply acknowledge the fact either at beginning or end, or somewhere in between. It could be kibitz: “(Dummy) These are Paul Stadelman jokes. (Vent) If you say so. (Dummy) I say so. (Vent) Yes, he wrote it for all of us to use. (Dummy) If you say so. (Vent) I say so. (Dummy) I said that first.”

  3. Philip Grecian says:

    And, in addition to the Berle books, may I recommend “10,000 Jokes, Toasts and Stories.” The authors are Lewis and Faye Copeland. It runs over 1000 pages and categorizes everything by topic with cross-indexing. My copy is copyright 1940 and my grandmother bought it new for me probably fifteen years after that. I continue to use it for springboards.

  4. Andy M says:

    Hey I wrote that exact same column for another blog last week!! :-)

  5. Dennis Meeks says:

    Years ago I was invited to appear on the lounge night at the CenVENTion at Ft. Mitchell, KY. Imagine my terror when the vent prior to me used every bit of the material that I use almost in the order that I use it. I never did have a mind for memorization and work off of note cards. Not having more than one show prepared (on note cards) I had to do the performance that I just heard. Talk about flop sweat!! I had lost the audience with the first rehashed words out of my mouth. At times I couldn’t even hear myself over the mike because the crowd noise was so loud. Needless to say, even to this very day, that was the worst performance of my life. I have had people come up to me after a show and say, “What are you doing ‘here (city)” you should be in Vegas or somewhere other than (here)! Even though I have had moments in my life time, I don’t think that I have ever recovered from that night, so many years ago, when I flopped before a group of my peers when someone else and I shared the same material. No names other than my own were used here intentionally!
    Den

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  6. Joe Loez says:

    Hey Bob, Thanks for sharing your Vent experience with the community. Keep up the good work….Joe

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